Ars Magica South of the Sun in PDF Form
From: John Nephew Posted on: 6/7/2003 4:40 pm
To: ALL
Message: 236.1
South of the Sun, the Ars Magica sourcebook of Mythic Africa published in 1991 (long out of print), is now available in PDF format for $7.95. Here's a link to the page on RPGNow:

http://www.rpgnow.com/product_info.php?products_id=1799

From: Al3xWhite Posted on: 6/7/2003 9:50 pm
To: John Nephew
Message: 236.2
in reply to: 236.1
Man! I wish I had a credit card!

John, I don't suppose there is any chance that Atlas would do what Columbia Games does with out of print Harn products and do a "print on demand"?

~Alex
pax

From: John Nephew Posted on: 6/8/2003 1:33 pm
To: Al3xWhite
Message: 236.3
in reply to: 236.2
Well, there are pros and cons to print-on-demand. The big downside is that it still involves printing and storing physical inventory. In contrast, with South of the Sun as a PDF here, it's now online -- and it can be available for sale forever, in essence, and maintaining that availability costs us nothing, now that I've gone to the effort of making the PDF. So if someone wants it this month, great; if someone wants it five years from now, it will be there waiting for them to plunk down their money.

Even if a POD service allows us to print just 25 copies, that might be 20 or 24 more than I really need in reasonable time frame. Those books occupy shelf space in the warehouse, they have to be tracked and inventoried, they bloat the number of SKUs in the line and make it harder for retailers to maintain "full line" stocking of the product line.

The one print on demand experiment I'm interested in trying is the Ars Magica Classic Reprints idea -- where we do POD versions of out of print books from the White Wolf and Lion Rampant era. In the case of these books, we do not have digital files. This means that it's actually easier to do a POD than a PDF (because a lot of POD vendors will digitize a physical book for you). So what we could do is do a one-time short run (using POD technology, but not strictly print-on-demand since we would not be planning to maintain availability...it would be more of a limited edition reprint), making exactly enough to satisfy pre-orders.

Another thing to remember is that there ARE plenty of physical copies of our out of print books out in the marketplace. I know our local game store still has copies of South of the Sun, for example. I feel that PDF does not so much step on the toes of the retailers and the secondary market, where some scarcity of the printed item may be helpful for those merchants' ability to sell things. (Heck, the PDFs probably help sell out of print titles, by alerting collectors to their existence.)

From: Al3xWhite Posted on: 6/9/2003 3:45 am
To: John Nephew
Message: 236.4
in reply to: 236.3
John,

That's fair enough. It's just that I, like many others, prefer having a physical copy of a book, rather than digital (one of the problems of Hermes Portal IMO).

What about the possibility of certain old ArM books being re-released like Festival of the Damned was? Unfortunately, this is unlikely due to the set release schedule of Ars and a looming ArM5.

~Alex
pax

From: John Nephew Posted on: 6/10/2003 12:11 am
To: Al3xWhite
Message: 236.5
in reply to: 236.4
> What about the possibility of certain old ArM books being
> re-released like Festival of the Damned was? Unfortunately,
> this is unlikely due to the set release schedule of Ars and a
> looming ArM5.

As you see, ArM5 and the need to cover the bases there is really going to fill up the schedule. To be honest, a lot of the initial ArM5 support releases will be covering old ground -- at least in terms of covering core topics, but probably not in terms of reprinting as much text as Festival did. The revised Bestiary and Grimoire would be better comparisons to what we need to do for Pax Dei, Maleficium, etc.

I think it would actually be fun to do an updated version of Calebais. Lisa Stevens found the old layout files from the 2nd edition, and sent them to me. They're in a really ancient PageMaker format, though, so even to make a PDF out of them would require a lot of work. Maybe we'll work it into the queue for 5th edition, though...I haven't actually talked to David about it, but it might be a good tie-in to bring back the first-ever ArM adventure to accompany 5th ed.