Ars Magica "Black Monks of Glastonbury" rocks!
From: Chris Aylott Posted on: 7/5/2003 10:38 am
To: ALL
Message: 254.1
Spent some time with "Black Monks of Glastonbury" last night and it is wonderful. Lots of juicy history and legend, neat characters, at least a campaign and a half of adventure ideas and plots, pretty pictures and maps... this book has everything I like in a location-based supplement. Well done, David!

cheers,

Chris Aylott
Writer and Retailer
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From: marklawford Posted on: 9/29/2003 1:05 pm
To: Chris Aylott
Message: 254.2
in reply to: 254.1
I think I misunderstood the point of the supplement. I was expecting a scenario in the traditional sense, especially given the d20 angle.

I've read through the book and I really like the background and the diabolist rules look like they could work out nicely. I couldn't see anything there that I could run beginning-middle-end but there are some great hooks and ideas.

If I run a stonehenge saga (or adapt the BM material) then this book will give me a ton of stories. As it stands, the diabolist rules will come in handy for a couple of people in my Veronese setting.

I do recommend it though. Interesting on many levels including seeing the suggestion on D20 Vis mechanics.

Mark

From: CCAMFIELD Posted on: 9/29/2003 6:25 pm
To: marklawford
Message: 254.3
in reply to: 254.2
Hmm... so it's not a scenario in a traditional sense? More of a sourcebook?

I need to dig up some reviews.

From: Al3xWhite Posted on: 10/2/2003 7:29 am
To: CCAMFIELD
Message: 254.4
in reply to: 254.3
Here's a review. There is another linked to this one.

http://www.rpg.net/reviews/archive/9/9513.phtml

~Alex

From: SirParn Posted on: 10/3/2003 12:34 pm
To: marklawford
Message: 254.5
in reply to: 254.2
Would have been nice for some stats on a couple of legendary items, but mainly “Excalibur” seeing how if Arthur was ever woken he would of no doubtable wielded the legendary sword once again.
From: TimothyFerg Posted on: 10/6/2003 8:42 am
To: SirParn
Message: 254.6
in reply to: 254.5
Excalibur's powers are not fantastic by modern standards: when you have it it will not break in battle.

Now, you are probably thinking "Whoop de doo" here, but one of the Emporers Otto went through his armory snapping swords over his knee before a war, so that this wouldn't happen to his men.

I would remind you, though, that the sheath is worth ten of the sword: Excalibur;s sheath has the magical power that if you are wearing it, you never bleed. That means little injuries are just that: tiny injuries. They don't get worse if you extert yourself and you don't get fatigue from them. In Ars Magica terms, you don't suffer penalties until you are at your last body level, and your wounds don't need chirurgy unless they are Major and always heal cleanly.

From: SirParn Posted on: 10/6/2003 10:50 am
To: TimothyFerg
Message: 254.7
in reply to: 254.6
Thanks for the information, as I find it very interesting that Excalibur's powers weren’t that powerful, as I expected it may of granted some form of bonus, like Greater Leadership, or that the blade itself would be immune to being broken, as to me the Lady of the Lake, sounds like she would have been a Tuatha de Danann, also seeing how Avalon is within Arcadia where King Aurthur is rumoured to be would support that theory in some way.
From: TimothyFerg Posted on: 10/7/2003 4:32 am
To: SirParn
Message: 254.8
in reply to: 254.7
For much of the legend (Malory version), Arthur doesn't wear Excalibur.

Morganna gives him a fake, and gives the original to her lover, and goads the two into a duel. Arthur realises what has happened when his sword shatters and his hands bleed, so he rips his enemy's belt off while beating him to death (or did he draw his dagger? too long ago).

He then gives the sword to his nephew and heir, Gawain, only reclaiming it before the final battle (Camlann).

Some of his other swords are funky: the one he drew from the stone (no, that's not Excalibur - he gets Excalibur from the first Lady of the Lake. First, yes, there are at least three, and I hope they come up in "Faerie Stories" since they seem to come from Brittany.)...anyway...the sword in the stone blinds an army the first time he draws it (and he then leaves it on the atlar of Cantebury Cathedral, so who konws if it can do that sort of thing over and over?)

So, you are asking: if the Sword From the Stone is sitting in a cathedral and Gawain has Excalibur, what is the Bear swinging?

Frankly, I think he had a caddy going around with a bag of words and saying "Oh, fair wind at the moment, and he's a short man, so you need your number five, boss."

In Tennyson he has a sword called "Sequence" which he only uses in mortal combat. Lancelot borrowed it for the battle at the Castle of La Roche (Arthur was the prisoner of a sorceress there.)

From: marklawford Posted on: 10/8/2003 9:23 am
To: Al3xWhite
Message: 254.9
in reply to: 254.4
Read the linked review a few days back and remember a comment in there about the layout and styling of the book being a possible Ars 5th prototype.

If this is the case, I'd vote against it. The content was great but the styling was still a little clunky.

I'd be looking for something a little more stylish in Ars 5.

Mark

From: John Nephew Posted on: 10/9/2003 6:35 pm
To: marklawford
Message: 254.10
in reply to: 254.9
The main thing we were thinking about, graphics wise, in relation to 5th edition, were the Book of Kells-inspired motifs in the cover design. The textual layout was basically following the mold of the other Coriolis books. (The general arrangement of cover elements fits the Coriolis line, too.)

Personally, I really liked the interior layout, especially Scott's use of the Dore illustrations of Arthur etc. But I don't think it will be the right approach for 5th edition. (The graphic design of Coriolis is also heavily influenced by the needs of dual-statting and Open Game Content designation, neither of which will be an issue in ArM5.)

From: Al3xWhite Posted on: 10/26/2003 7:40 am
To: John Nephew
Message: 254.11
in reply to: 254.10
I didn't mention this in the review, but I found the side bar on the cover (indicating it to be a dual stat D20-Ars book) to be incredibly retrograde, and not at all appealing.

The Book of Kells look however is definitely a good one. The font layout needs to be very clear as to the level of headings being used. Can I also suggest that you (Atlas) be very careful with artwork. Trying to get some original Ars artists to do some work would be a good move-- Eric Hotz, William O'Connor, Josh Gabriel Timbrook, etc.

~Alex