Ars Magica Movement on Sanctuary of Ice
From: marklawford Posted on: 7/29/2003 4:12 am
To: ALL
Message: 270.1
I just read the Atlas Dispatches and saw:

"Meanwhile, we're hard at work on Sanctuary of Ice (really!)... Scott finished the maps for SOI today, which puts the ball back in my court on the final layout details and making corrections from proofreading."

Now I just have to find something to take my mind of it until it ships to stores. I might try a bit of work, but I'm not sure that would be enough.

So, John, tell us more. Can you drip feed us any tasty details?

From: John Nephew Posted on: 7/29/2003 10:19 pm
To: marklawford
Message: 270.2
in reply to: 270.1
Well, after working all last week on order packing (Last Hero in Scandinavia and our plastic RPG dividers merchandizing program), I made a last-minute decision to hit Indianapolis for 48 hours, flying out on Saturday, and catch the tail end of Gen Con. So that blew most of Monday. And I came home to find that one of our family pets passed away. So that blew the rest of Monday and today. And today I was supposed to do the sales and shipping of Gorilla Warfare, which did not happen, but is now on my menu for tomorrow. Argh. The consequence of it all is that I haven't done anything with SOI in about the last 10 days, though I think Scott has done all his stuff (such as the maps). My hope of completing it and sending it to press last week, though, turns out to have been a wild fantasy. :( The rate this week is going, I don't know when I'll have my work on it done.

Tasty details -- Hmm, the covenant with the longevity specialists, and that dead god that keeps growing flesh on its ancient bones, is kind of cool.

From: marklawford Posted on: 7/30/2003 4:51 am
To: John Nephew
Message: 270.3
in reply to: 270.2
Sounds like you've had a busy week, good and bad.

Thanks for the update anyway. Longevity specialists, eh? That sounds like just the ticket. We've got something going on now that could include that in a couple of months, which may be just in time for the book...

Mark

From: Al3xWhite Posted on: 8/3/2003 1:55 am
To: John Nephew
Message: 270.4
in reply to: 270.2
Can I ask who the artists commissioned for SoI are?

~Alex

From: TimothyFerg Posted on: 8/3/2003 12:09 pm
To: Al3xWhite
Message: 270.5
in reply to: 270.4
Alex, with regard to your question on artists, one of them has posted his material online at http://www.alexbradley.com/portfolio/illo/easel_am1.htm and related links.

By way of explanantion of that piece, you'll recall that in OoH the Primus of Jerbiton was charged with, but successfully defended himself against a charge of, interfering with the fae. This is him interfering with them. 8)

The other links show a covenant, a waypoint for redcaps, and a local legend, as I recall.

(Hi all, first post on this forum, although I've been lurking for about six months.)

Timothy Ferguson

From: Al3xWhite Posted on: 8/4/2003 8:30 am
To: TimothyFerg
Message: 270.6
in reply to: 270.5
Sweet. Unfortunately the Atlas art director has ignored every attempt I've made to contact him. :-(

~Alex

From: John Nephew Posted on: 8/4/2003 3:11 pm
To: Al3xWhite
Message: 270.7
in reply to: 270.4
Well, there are a bunch of them, and I don't recall all their names offhand. The art was done two years ago...these days we try to keep the number of illustrators on each book smaller.
From: marklawford Posted on: 8/11/2003 10:00 am
To: marklawford
Message: 270.8
in reply to: 270.1
"Two books went to press this past week...
Second is the long-awaited Sanctuary of Ice, the Ars Magica sourcebook on the Tribunal of the Greater Alps. Fans have been waiting for this for more than two years, so we expect it to do quite well."

It's gone to press... It's finally gone to pre-heh-hess...

I need a lay down.

Mark

From: John Nephew Posted on: 8/11/2003 5:06 pm
To: marklawford
Message: 270.9
in reply to: 270.8
Hard to believe, innit?

Yup. It's done. And I even took time to do an index.

From: marklawford Posted on: 8/14/2003 4:56 pm
To: John Nephew
Message: 270.10
in reply to: 270.9
I've just placed my order.

Our game is set in the Roman tribunal, so we will certainly be using the new book. And with faerie stories later in the year... It seems like a good year for Ars.

Mark

From: TimothyFerg Posted on: 8/20/2003 11:31 am
To: marklawford
Message: 270.11
in reply to: 270.10
If you are playing in the north of Italy, it will be particularly useful. If you look carefully at the back cover notes, you can see that part of the Tribunal of the Alps covers an area in modern Italy (because the original description of the Tribunal is "The Alps and their foothills").

I didn't want to seriously challenge Shannon, so in the west of the Tribunal I've left him with most of the foothills, but he didn't do anything much with the Dolomites, which are in the Ticino district of modern Italy, and these are where Valnastium is.

I'm getting some added support materials ready for this, but have to go back to the drawing board on them, because I've dicovered that the author did not die when I thought he did, so the document I'm using retains copyright protection.

From: marklawford Posted on: 8/20/2003 12:42 pm
To: TimothyFerg
Message: 270.12
in reply to: 270.11
Don't you just hate it when people don't die when they're supposed to?

Anyway, black humour aside, thanks for the note. I'm really looking forward to the book by the way.

Our small covenant is in Verona, so I think, being so close to Venice, it is firmly within the Roman Tribunal but it seems not too far from Valnastium.

Given that the Roman Tribunal source book has been is circulation for a while (I had one player openly ask in the middle of play when we were going to meet the secret hermetic gang beneath the venice streets...) I'm looking forward to throwing some new stuff in there.

Who knows, we may end up petitioning to join the Tribunal of the Greater Alps.

Mark

From: TimothyFerg Posted on: 8/20/2003 1:50 pm
To: marklawford
Message: 270.13
in reply to: 270.12
> Don't you just hate it when people don't die when they're supposed
> to?

Bloodly Carlo Wolff: publishes his life's work in 1928 and then lingers on until 1966! That gives his work Australian protection for another 13 years. 8)

Unless the LOC has his death date wrong. I might be that lucky...

Basically I was retelling and annotating his folklore collection.
If you are interested, most of the original stories are up on the SAGEN website at http://www.sagen.at/texte/sagen/italien/legends_in_english/sagen_legends_in_english.htm.

I suppose I could just post the annotations.

> Anyway, black humour aside, thanks for the note. I'm really looking
> forward to the book by the way.

So am I. Seriously, I've changed it so much over the years it'll be interesting to finally find out what's in it definitively. From there I can go on with support material.

> Our small covenant is in Verona, so I think, being so close to
> Venice, it is firmly within the Roman Tribunal but it seems not too
> far from Valnastium.

No, quite close. Being near Venice does slightly dampen the usefulness of a couple of sets of plot hooks, designed for covenants in places like Cyprus and France, but at the same time it emphasises many of the others, because you can travel to the sites and home without losing study time. It puts you quite close to everything, since the Alpine tribunal is small and riddled with trade routes. It can be a pain to travel through in winter, but from there you are well within reach of the covenants on the eastern side of things. Some of the northwestern features are a bit distant...

Geographically, the humans are concentrated in the west of the Tribunal, so the magi, naturally, concentrate in the east. There's a lot of Jerbiton magi down that way, but Cave of Twisiting Shadows is marked (on the ArM3 maps) slightly southeast of Innsbruck, which is also quite close if the maps turn out that way. Even the covenants on the northern edge of the eastern side of the tribunal are quite close because of the Grossglocker/Salzburg trade road (and because the tribunal is a long, thin shape.)

There are also a series of interesting mythical places just to your north/northeast, but you'll see what I mean when you get the book.

> The Roman Tribunal source book has been is circulation
> for a while (I had one player openly ask in the middle of play when
> we were going to meet the secret hermetic gang beneath the venice
> streets...) I'm looking forward to throwing some new stuff in
> there.

Under Venice? I think it was mentioned twice in one of the drafts, but it's not a major bit of the book. 8) I imagine, and this isn't in the book, that the two domus magnae often buy materials in Venice, because it has such a strange role in Hermetic society, and such a concentration of purchasing power, that it must attract some of the finest Hermetic craftsmen.

> Who knows, we may end up petitioning to join the Tribunal of the
> Greater Alps.

There are no new covenants in the Alps (OoH/HoH) 8).

The book does support the "gang of lads off on their own" style of saga founding, although its a bit different to the usual spring covenant. It also supports that "we change tribunal boundaries" sort of story, but not in the usual way. Things are a bit different in the Alps - which is why the Alpine covenants aren't just in Rome and Rhineland. Still, you -might- petiton to join the Tribunal, you just aren't saying what you think you mean. 8)

Another beneficial side effect is that if your covenant fails, and your people need to hide out from their many Roman enemies, you now know where they can run away to, and look for a fresh start. This means that as GM, you have a failsafe, so you don't need to pull your punches as much as if you really, really needed them to stay in Verona to keep the story going.

You realise you owe the rest of us a HP article on Romeo and Juliet, right? 8)

From: marklawford Posted on: 8/21/2003 4:21 am
To: TimothyFerg
Message: 270.14
in reply to: 270.13

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if your covenant fails, and your people need to hide out from their many Roman enemies, you now know where they can run away to, and look for a fresh start
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My thoughts exactly.

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You realise you owe the rest of us a HP article on Romeo and Juliet, right? 8)
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Well, I am working on a story at the moment called... "A Plague on Both Your Houses" which may (or may not...) involve star crossed lovers.

From: erik_tyrrell Posted on: 9/10/2003 3:43 pm
To: John Nephew
Message: 270.15
in reply to: 270.9
Mr. Nephew said "Hard to believe, innit?"

Well, after the long delay I'd have to say yes. (Even at this late date I'm preparing myself to hear that the printers have burned to the ground and that Aol/Time Warner is suing Atlas for violating its intellectual property by using of the words "Ice" and "of".)

It has been over a month that the book has been at the printers. Can anyone give me an educated guess as to when it will be out?

From: John Nephew Posted on: 9/11/2003 11:42 am
To: erik_tyrrell
Message: 270.16
in reply to: 270.15
Should be the first half of October. The printer hasn't burned down, but they have been running slower than usual on account of too much business and a new press not getting running as fast as expected. We also have a whole lot of projects at press at once, and may make some decisions about spacing out releases so as not to flood our market. (We don't want stores to order less of SOI because there are two other books at the same time and they are only willing to purchase within a certain budget per manufacturer.)