Feng Shui Back for Seconds?
From: Prophetsteve Posted on: 6/7/2004 10:43 am
To: ALL
Message: 368.1
Being a recent purchaser of Feng Shui, I was intrigued by talk of "Back for Seconds"

I take it this was an old Daedelus Games product, back when FS was owned by them.

Is BfS ever going to be reprinted as some of the other supplements have? Or has most of the info in that book eventually filtered into supplements anyway.

If not its kinda sad to see all that FS info lost to new players, concidering it seems very hard to locate a used copy of the old Daedelus products (I lucked out with some Nexus stuff but no Feng Shui).

From: Sensei Posted on: 6/7/2004 4:43 pm
To: Prophetsteve
Message: 368.2
in reply to: 368.1
BfS has been popping up a bunch recently on eBay, but it's still rare, you're right.

I don't think Atlas can re-publish it, because most of the rights would still belong to Daedalus and the various authors, I imagine. And since the majority of it includes write-ups of the heroic and nefarious characters (mostly from the card game), I don't believe it's been reprinted or filtered through any other channels since BfS.

Which is too bad, cuz it is, if I may say, a kick-ass book o' Good Stuff!

From: John Nephew Posted on: 6/7/2004 9:35 pm
To: ALL
Message: 368.3
in reply to: 368.1
It's not going to get reprinted. Just to confirm, there are two reasons: First is the rights situation; second is the question of utility. The rights situation on most of the Daedalus works is ambiguous. We don't always know who wrote what, or if Daedalus paid for them, and Daedalus doesn't really exist to negotiate with.

In the case of the core Feng Shui rules, the rights explicitly reverted to Robin, allowing him to license them to us. In the case of Thorns of the Lotus, which came out near the final implosion of Daedalus (and most of the original print run was destroyed by the storage facility, I'm given to understand, because of nonpayment of storage fees), there was only one author and he never got paid by Daedalus, so the rights were his to license to us (and even so it was hard to track him down -- we owe our thanks to Nicole Lindroos of Green Ronin for finding where he'd moved to in Japan, in fact).

So we made the choice to work out a deal to make Thorns available, given that it was a faction book (meaning the rights were relatively simple to nail down, and the utility for FS players was high), and leave the others for the collectors market while we focused on publishing original material.

From: IronJester76 Posted on: 6/11/2004 9:16 am
To: John Nephew
Message: 368.4
in reply to: 368.3
I Figure if Daedalus exists no more you may be able to say, post certain characters on the forum? I ask because i got into FS 7 years ago but never got my hands on Back for seconds. I was never exposed to Shadowfist and i'm definately missing some bits of background knowledge. Homo Omega? Prototype X? Was Furious George in BFS, because he wasn't in Gorilla Warfare?

Hope that someone can shed some light on these three and more.

From: CCAMFIELD Posted on: 6/11/2004 9:24 am
To: IronJester76
Message: 368.5
in reply to: 368.4
"I Figure if Daedalus exists no more you may be able to say, post certain characters on the forum? I ask because i got into FS 7 years ago but never got my hands on Back for seconds. I was never exposed to Shadowfist and i'm definately missing some bits of background knowledge. Homo Omega? Prototype X? Was Furious George in BFS, because he wasn't in Gorilla Warfare?"

I rather doubt this would be legal. A rewritten general description of the characters might be, though.

From: Tiffany Posted on: 6/13/2004 3:46 pm
To: CCAMFIELD
Message: 368.6
in reply to: 368.5

If there is no one to sue you, does it matter if it is legal or not?  And to prosecute on copywrite the offender has to be informed of his offense first.

So if any one ever jumped out of the wood work and said hey don't post that cause I own the rights to it, many problems would take care of themselves :)

I've really noticed a lot of people in rpgs are a little too jumpy when it comes to copy write issues.

Basically if you can't buy it from a publisher don't worry about it  Because no one would be loosing money and therefore won't sue to protect it.

And I'm not saying go ahead and post whole books, but if someone asks a question about an old out of print book...don't be too squeamish to respond, the men in black aren't going to haul you away.

 


goddess


Edited 6/13/2004 3:48 pm ET by Tiffany (Gwendolkyn)
From: John Nephew Posted on: 6/13/2004 10:45 pm
To: Tiffany
Message: 368.7
in reply to: 368.6
> If there is no one to sue you, does it matter if it is legal or not?

I believe it does, yes. And it's not simply a matter of whether it's legal, but whether it's right.

We already face too many people who trample on our own intellectual property rights because we're not in a good position to sue them. (For example, unauthorized foreign translations.) I certainly don't want to turn around and offer the same treatment to someone else. It might please some fans, it might make us an extra buck, but it wouldn't make me feel good about myself.

> I've really noticed a lot of people in rpgs are a little too jumpy
> when it comes to copy write issues.

This may be because we depend on copyright for our livelihood! :-)

As a business that fundamentally depends on respect for intellectual property rights, to short-change those principles when it seems to suit us would, I believe, be short-sighted.

For example, we are NOT implementing any DRM schemes to inconvenience the customers who purchase our PDFs on RPGNow. And I don't WANT to implement any such technologies like that (let alone get into a "sue our fans, customers, and bystanders" crusade like the RIAA). We are instead relying on the good faith and honesty of our customers not to share those files illegally. As such, we should try to set a good example ourselves.

From: IronJester76 Posted on: 6/15/2004 9:09 am
To: John Nephew
Message: 368.8
in reply to: 368.7
Thanks for the pointers re: copyright. When i asked the initial question regarding the whereabouts of Furious George et all it was purely my completist nature wondering why the jammers second in command wasn't featured in a book about the jammers? As i mentioned above, i haven't been exposed to shadowfist so there are some missing areas in my FS knowledge. It should all be a moot point now anyway - i just ordered a copy of BfS from a used book website and i'm eagerly awaiting confirmation of shipping....

Good on you for wanting to set a good example, most people in our info-heavy age don't give a flying f**k about trampling other peoples toes.

From: IronJester76 Posted on: 7/5/2004 8:43 am
To: IronJester76
Message: 368.9
in reply to: 368.8
A reply to myself, just to say if anyone is struggling to get hold of Back for Seconds and constantly trawling E-bay for it, i recommend another course of action.

I searched Alibris.com, a website for second-hand and hard to find books. I got a copy of BFS straight away for $12.95 plus shipping (which was $7.95 as i'm in England) and it turned up this morning, about two weeks after placing the order. Not bad at all. I have also used Alibris for some other books which are out of print in the UK and the service has been great. Of course if you use e-bay all the time and are happy bidding, go for it.

As for the book itself, hooray! Furious George and Orangutank! Homo Omega! The missing principle monks from Blood of the valiant! I am a happy GM. The 'missing items' from my books/knowledge were beggining to annoy the s**t out of me. Now i've caught up, time for new books!

When do we get 'Blowing up Hong Kong'?

From: John Nephew Posted on: 7/6/2004 9:42 am
To: IronJester76
Message: 368.10
in reply to: 368.9
> When do we get 'Blowing up Hong Kong'?

Late August is the current plan. It's possible it might slip to early September, depending on how the workload works out this month.