Ars Magica Puissant Ability: Parma
From: qcifer Posted on: 12/12/2004 2:14 pm
To: ALL
Message: 445.1
Just verifying somethng. If you take the above Virtue, and your Parma score is 1, you then have an effective Magic Resistance of 7 before Specialties or Forms are added in (1*5)+2 correct? You do not add the plus 2 bonus from the Virtue to the score and then multiply it right (the above example would yield a Magic Resistance of 15 before Specialties and Forms are added in)?
From: mithriel Posted on: 12/13/2004 3:20 am
To: qcifer
Message: 445.2
in reply to: 445.1
Nope, the virtue applies on the ability, not the magic resistance, hence MR = Parma (1+2) * 5 = 15.
From: daoc2k Posted on: 12/13/2004 5:10 am
To: mithriel
Message: 445.3
in reply to: 445.2

Actually the Virture reads " "You are particularly adept with one Ability, and get +2 to all totals which include it." This is not the same as "get +2 to the ability"

Unless the virture description is written incorrectly, the example of Parma of 1 with Puissand (Parma) would give you (1*5)+2 = 7 magic resistance before you add in your Form, would be the correct rule interpretation.

From: qcifer Posted on: 12/13/2004 11:37 am
To: ALL
Message: 445.4
in reply to: 445.3
That's what I thought, thanks. Though there are dissenting opinions, I'm betting that this case is not closed yet.
From: mithriel Posted on: 12/14/2004 2:11 am
To: daoc2k
Message: 445.5
in reply to: 445.3

>Actually the Virture reads " "You are particularly adept with one Ability, and get +2 to all totals which include it." This is not the same as "get +2 to the ability"

I did not have my book with me.

Then it's useless for Parma.

From: qcifer Posted on: 12/14/2004 11:28 am
To: ALL
Message: 445.6
in reply to: 445.5
Not usesless, but it's not as good. Now that even a 0 Magic Resistance can stop a spell, every little bit can make a difference.
From: qcifer Posted on: 12/14/2004 12:53 pm
To: ALL
Message: 445.7
in reply to: 445.6
Another thing I just realized, it will also be useful in Certamen, because that score is not multiplied by 5.
From: Hwhnn Posted on: 12/18/2004 5:25 pm
To: ALL
Message: 445.8
in reply to: 445.7

Puissant would be sort of useless for Parma. I agree that a Parma score of 1 with Puissant = (1 x 5) + 2 = 7.

More appropriate (or useful) would be Affinity with Parma. The experience points put into Parma would have half added again, so although you would see little effect at a Parma of 1, you would reach Parma 2, 3, 4, etc much more quickly.

And both virtues cost 1 point.

From: WilliamEx Posted on: 12/19/2004 11:11 am
To: Hwhnn
Message: 445.9
in reply to: 445.8
I find this virtue tu be unbalancing for the major hermetic abilities like Magic Theory, Parma & Penetration. I believe that it should be a major virtue for Hermetic abilities in general since an affinity with parma affects a game much more than an affinity with survival for example ...
From: Hwhnn Posted on: 12/19/2004 4:16 pm
To: WilliamEx
Message: 445.10
in reply to: 445.9

First, let me correct an error. Affinity does not increase experience points post character creation. It increases study total. So, unless you are studying parma from a book or whatever, no bonus.

So the affinity virtue for skills that do not readily lend themselves to study increase (like survival) are poor choices for this virtue. Actually, skills like survival would probably be a waste.

If you notice, minor virtues tend to effect around the worth of a single skill or activity, where major virtues tend to effect more than one skill or activity. Using this as a guide, the affinity virtue seems properly placed.