Hello everybody

I do not know if this has already been posted, so forgive me if I just repeat an old issue.

I've got a couple of questions regarding Ward Spells in 5th edition. According to the Rego guidelines, you can ward against creatures using a particular form from each of the supernatural realms. So, you must develop different spells for different Realms: a ReIg against fire faeries, another against fire magical non-faerie beings, and so on. And a ReHe against wood faeries, another ReHe for wood demons (?) etc.

Now, I think there is an errata here; according to almost all Re guidelines, the ward blocks attacks/powers/whatever from a creature with Might less than the level of the spell, but for ReAu, ReAq and ReIg it blocks creatures with Migh less or equal, with same parameters. Kinda odd.

On the other hand, if I'm not confusing myself, what's the use of using a ReAu 30 spell to block faerie animals? Can't you do a ReVi 30 to block ALL faeries, regardless of form? Maybe for an Animal specialist with no knowledge of Vim it is easier to learn/invent a 30th level ward, but a 'Ward' specialist would only have to learn 4 spells... and forget about forms.

Any comments?

Regars,
Lorenzo

that was true in 4th ed, yes... now for 5th, gimme a sec, I'll go check.....hum...*searching*....*flapping pages*.....*frown*....a!

It says so in the guidline of ReVi
'Ward the target...blabla...might less than...only one realm... Note that wards against magical and fearie creatures can also be constructed using other forms, but that those wards are more limited in effect.

there you are, yes a animal specialist can do 2spell to ward of animal magical/fearie but otherwise, just do 4spells in Vim instead /fay/magic/Demons/Holy...

"there you are, yes a animal specialist can do 2spell to ward of animal magical/fearie but otherwise, just do 4spells in Vim instead /fay/magic/Demons/Holy..."

Actually, I think it would be the other way around: while the Animál specialist would do 4 ReAn spells, one for eache Realm, and still get only protection against animals (be they Faerie, Infernal, Magical or Divine), our smart guy the Vim specialist would make the 4 ReVi spells (again, one for each Realm) against anything with a (Realm) Might score, be it an animal/fire creature/water/mentem etc etc.

So what's the point in wards against creatures (with a Might score) other than ol' ReVi ward spell? The other Forms are not worth it.

Is there any other interpretation about Re guidelines?

Regards,
Lorenzo

The last sentence in Rego Vim guidelines about wards:

"Note that wards against magical and faerie creatures can also be
constructed using other Forms, but that those wards are more limited in
effect."

I'd explain this with the nature of the Forms themselves. For instance,
Aquam can be used for a lot more things than just magical tinkering, and
therefore the wards you can create with it are less powerful than the
ones made with Vim. Vim is essentially about magic itself, and it's
found in all the four Realms.

When it comes to specialists, I would think that Vim specialists are
a minority in the Order. While being extremely useful art, it is more
useful when combined with another one. A Animal-specialist would
certainly invent a ReAn spell to ward off creatures, but a mature
magus with more generalized arts would probably go for ReVi.

//B

I agree with the previous interpretations of the rules.

But I agree with you: that way other ward are much less effectives. I think that wards in other forms should simply protect against ALL realms, in their domain.

A ReHe would protect against all creatures of the forest with a might score. Infernal, Magical, feary, dominion.

First: I think that it is game balanced: those Wards are effectively less powerful than ReVi. (in my campaign)

I would rationnalize it that way: the other forms affect the common essence relative to thier form. A Rego Herbam ward affect all creature with an affinity to the forest/plants, regardless of realms.

It IS a "home" rule.

<It IS a "home" rule.>

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