Ars Magica More info about upcoming releases ?
From: ligarius Posted on: Sep-22 4:40 pm
To: ALL
Message: 724.1

I know that they probably have to be very careful with what they say here in order to avoid a mass of complaints, but I was wondering if I could get someone official to unofficially let us know how the next few books coming out after "the Mysteries" are coming.

I don't want anything official and on behalf of everyone here, I forgive anyone ahead of time if details are wrong, in other words...nothing need be binding.

If possible, I'd just like an opinion on when they think the next few books will come out. I'm just a little disapointed in the amount of information that is available on the main web site...or anywhere on upcoming books. I know that things might be different here for sure, but I'm just used to companies having a release schedule 6 months to a year in advance. Even the Mysteries book doesn't have an actual release date and it's only a few weeks from being released...it just says October. I just want more info...I'd rather have more info ahead of time and be a little disapointed if a delay occurs than have no real idea. I already found the unofficial list with covenants, HoH:The Mysteries and the infernal book coming out after...but when? 6 months...a year..are they written yet and should be out within the next 3 months?

Listen, I'm not saying there aren't reasons for this either, and I can hardly complain about the game itself. So far, in 5th the main book and the true lineages books have been amazing quality, and I wouldn't even post here if I didn't love this game....maybe even start becoming obssessed with it. I'm just struck with the lack of information about upcoming releases after playing so many games from companies like white wolf

Anyways, like I said, there could be many reasons for this and I think your ars magica game is amazing. The books are such good quality.
Thanx for your time.

Ligarius

From: Tuura Posted on: Sep-22 8:02 pm
To: ligarius
Message: 724.2
in reply to: 724.1

Off the top of my head and not being in away linked to Atlas, I believe the target goal is 4 books a year. One could say then 1 a season. So one can look at the books out now, then look at the upcoming list you mentioned (Covenants, TL:M, Infernal, ect) and see that roughly the next years worth of books are projected.

Beyond that I to would love more info as well, but when you've been playing the game as long as I have (early 90's) I gotta tell you, I happy to have books coming out at all. Some where in my basement I have an AD for Order of Odin! I swear! Where's that book? It never got made. Books are fickle things, between authors not finishing them, publishers not haveing money, and fans not supporting the product I imagine there are a million other factors that keep these books from coming out consistently.

My weak ass defense of Atlas,

Chuck

From: John Nephew Posted on: Oct-7 5:17 pm
To: ligarius
Message: 724.3
in reply to: 724.1

> I was wondering if I could get someone official to unofficially let us
> know how the next few books coming out after "the Mysteries" are
> coming.

The release calendar looks like this:

- "October" (but late, so at this point December is really more likely): The Mysteries (Revised)

- January 06: Covenants (official announcement just went on the blog this afternoon)

- April 06: Houses of Hermes: Mystery Cults

- July 06: Realms of Power: The Infernal

I'm expecting all the books to be 128 to 144 pages, hardcover, and at least in the near term $29.95 MSRP (unless major printing/paper/shipping price increases mess up our budgetary spreadsheets).

With Jeff Tidball starting next week, and taking over my responsibilities for layout and production on the Ars books, I expect that the future titles will be much more on time than the ones so far this year.

> If possible, I'd just like an opinion on when they think the next
> few books will come out.

I hope the above information helps.

> I'm just a little disapointed in the amount of information that is
> available on the main web site...or anywhere on upcoming books. I
> know that things might be different here for sure, but I'm just used
> to companies having a release schedule 6 months to a year in
> advance.

We certainly do our planning that far in advance, and more. As a rule, we formally announce books 3-4 months ahead of release. That's the window of time that game distributors require to publicize the book to their shops and collect orders. Book distributors typically want 6-12 months of lead time, which may be why publishers who are heavily dependent on book trade sales (such as the biggest RPG publishers) tailor their workflow to that kind of schedule.

Unofficially, we share info as I did above about books as far as a year out, but we need people to understand that things are subject to change.

> Even the Mysteries book doesn't have an actual release date and it's
> only a few weeks from being released...it just says October.

We don't have the predictive ability to pick specific dates. We typically get a tentative ship date from a printer 3-4 weeks out, but those dates often move by as much as a week early to two weeks late, and depending on where a game is printed there is also an unknown quantity in shipping times. (Fortunately, most of our books are printed in-state by a printer who drives them to our warehouse on their own truck, for same day delivery cheaper than a regular trucking company.)

I try to broadcast an e-mail to all of our distributors 7-10 days ahead of the date when I expect to be shipping a new product. That gives them time to assemble their pre-orders, add the new release to their hit list for calls they make to customers, and cut the purchase orders for us.

Some large publishers have street dates (the official day that a book or game is to be on sale to the public), which they announce many months ahead of time. In order to meet these dates, these publishers sometimes have the products printed months in advance. For example, a friend of ours who is on the staff of Wizards of the Coast was visiting last month, and showed us a mock-up of a game he designed, which Wizards is publishing. He said that the games were already printed, but he wouldn't be getting his own copies for a couple of days. But here's the kicker: The game's street date is in *November*, and this was September. So in order to budget for production delays, distribution times, etc., the game is actually completed and ready for sale more than two months ahead of the street date. That's two months during which the publisher has to pay for all the bills (printing cost and warehousing, for example), without having the revenue from selling it to customers. If you're big and well capitalized, and you have marketing plans and distribution networks that depend on specific dates and having product out in the system a month or more ahead of time to meet those dates, that may make sense. For Atlas, at the present time, it doesn't.

> I just want more info...I'd rather have more info ahead of time
> and be a little disapointed if a delay occurs than have no real
> idea.

The problem on my end is that when we set specific info out, and circumstances change, I have to spend a lot of time informing people of the change. If I say, "Covenants will be shipping to distributors in January," then I'm covered if it's January 1 or January 31. If I say, "It will ship on January 3rd," then every time that date changes (for instance, if the printer is backed up by a week because of problems on a press or an unusually high workload), I have to set aside more time for e-mails and phone calls to update everyone on what's up. And if there are problem delays, beyond the usual margin of uncertainty (the +/- 1 week that we can expect from even our most reliable printers), we often don't know exactly when things will be resolved.

> I already found the unofficial list with covenants, HoH:The
> Mysteries and the infernal book coming out after...but when? 6
> months...a year..are they written yet and should be out within the
> next 3 months?

To confirm what others have said, the general plan is to have quarterly releases for Ars Magica. Even if books are written, we don't plan to move them up to release sooner -- we think that one book per quarter is a good pace for supporting the game, not overwhelming the wallet of the average player, etc.

I hope this makes more sense of things!

-John Nephew
President, Atlas Games

From: Tuura Posted on: Oct-7 6:00 pm
To: Tuura
Message: 724.4
in reply to: 724.3

My personal method of determining when product will show up is opening my wallet and seeing if there's anything extra in it.

But again, I seriously appreciate your willingness to detail just how complicated it is to get a book to my gametable.

Chuck

From: eagle_c85 Posted on: Oct-8 3:53 am
To: John Nephew
Message: 724.5
in reply to: 724.3

Thank you, sir. I really appreciate the honesty. My face might get a little blue from lack of oxegen, but I will wait. As a new player, your forthrightness eases the frustration of someone who wants to know what everyone is talking about.

Guess I'll just have to accept exposure experience in the Ars Magica ability for this season... :)

-Kurt

From: haakonolav Posted on: Oct-10 5:41 pm
To: John Nephew
Message: 724.6
in reply to: 724.3
Thanks for the update Mr. Nephew. Is the cover done yet and who's doing it? Favorite 5th ed artist so far is Alexander Bradley. If he continues on the line he might be as iconic as Eric Hotz was for the 4th ed.
HOT
From: John Nephew Posted on: Oct-11 12:13 am
To: haakonolav
Message: 724.7
in reply to: 724.6

The Mysteries cover is done by Grey Thornberry, who also did the cover illos for HOH:TL and GOTF.

Alex Bradley is one of the interior artists on Mysteries. I really like his work, too, and I'm looking forward to publishing more of it.

-John Nephew
President, Atlas Games

From: B5Rebel Posted on: Oct-11 8:47 am
To: John Nephew
Message: 724.8
in reply to: 724.7
Sounds like it will be a good looking book. I like the covers of both books he has done so far.
From: Irioth Posted on: Oct-12 5:49 pm
To: John Nephew
Message: 724.9
in reply to: 724.7

John, I really appreciate the earnestness which you are answering these questions.

I only have one more to add: when and if are we going to see Mysteries Revised available for pre-order on Amazon ?

From: John Nephew Posted on: Oct-13 12:43 pm
To: Irioth
Message: 724.10
in reply to: 724.9

> I only have one more to add: when and if are we going to see Mysteries
> Revised available for pre-order on Amazon ?

Probably not until close to the time that it's available. Amazon does allow us to enter information on titles ahead of release now, but it takes extra effort to set up titles with them and it often slips low on my "urgent things to do" list, alas.

-John