Well, first your going to do what ever you want to do. Having said this, my goal isn't to convince you that my way is right, but I will point how I interpret the book. Having said this let's begin... //It's a REGO spell...that means that the effect "can naturally occur". What's against makeing it a Momentary+Ritual spell to make the switch permanent?// As I said in my first mail, the Limit of Essential Nature. Any magic that violates a things essential nature must be maintained. Exchange of the Two Minds is a Ritual Spell and it lasts for a Year. Rego "allows a maga to change the state of a thing to some othe state that the individual thing can naturally have." Momentary "lasts a moment and disipates. In many cases the effects of the spell will endure..." In many cases, not in all in cases. The book goes on to describe how once a rock is moved, the rock remains where it is moved to. I argue that a mind's natural state is in it's own body. Therefore Momentary can not be used to permanently move a mind. When the magic wears off, the mind would snap back to it's original body. The book seems to support me as magic must be used to maintain the spell and keeps the minds switched for duration: YEAR. //If I'm able to find a vessel with my same physical Virtues and Flaws (that are part of a person's Nature) I don't see any problem ;) [That may mean I need another Gifted person]// If your going to pursue this, I would agree you need a Gifted Person, just make it more difficult. However in reality I actually disagree. First I think it will be nigh-impossible to find someone with all the same virtues and flaws and even if you do, I still don't think this person will qualify as a metaphysical substitute allowing you to make the spell permanent. //By definition the EN defines WHAT something/someone is; it's not "identity"...it's not "me and you"...I see it as a sort of "metaphisical category".// The mind is not the soul and the soul is not the mind, but identity lies some where in between. Can identity be destoryed and the soul untouched? I suppose so. But the books clearly establish that Exchange of the Two Minds requires magic to maintain the switch. Observation suggests that the "Mind" belongs in it's own body. Magic must be constantly used to make it other wise. Again, I say Essential Nature wants the mind to be in it's own body, regardless of where "Identity" is. //- Soul The right FORM to affect it should be Mentem...because it can affect "spirits". Mentem can summon, command, ward and damage spirits.// No. Mentem does affect spirits. The books strongly suggests that spirits are Non-corpreal Minds. That is they are Minds without bodies. There are no Hermetic spells that allow Magi to summon, command, ward, and damage living souls. When people die, Magi continue to be unable to summon, command, ward, and damage souls. They can only affect the mind, and when Magi manipulate Ghosts they are affecting the "Mind" of the spirit, not it's soul. //Now, one can ask himself: what't the difference between a Spirit and a Soul? Why I have power over a dead-spirit and not over a living-soul?// See above. Magi can influence the Mind, not the soul. If one had to break this into mechanical rules, the Spirit can be influenced by Mentum, but the Soul can not be influenced by any known Form. //The CreoCorpus "Shadow of Life Renewed" (a Mom+Ritual ^_^) brings back a dead-spirit to inhabit a regenerated body; but life force is very feeble (unable to gain XP and starts aging after 1 year).// No. Shadow of Life Renewed, "Brings a SEMBLANCE of life to a corpse" It does not "bring back a dead-spirit to inhabit a regenerated body". The corpse is not alive. Magic is maintaining the body, giving it the 'semblance' of life, but it is not alive. A spirit could be 'pushed' into a walking corpse, but Creo Corpus does not do this. //Is "my living spirit" enough to give full life to a host-body?// No. The host body is already alive on it's own, or its some kind of animated item, which is not alive. Be it Essential Nature, Limit of Creation, Energy, or Soul (Soul is my Number One Reason), "full life" can not be given to a host body. //I can even use PerdoMentem to destroy your mind and spirit in order to make room for me...(or not, as it may prevent an Essentially Natural transition).// No, it's not relevant. No matter how much 'room' you carve out of a human, you can not make 'room' for your life force, because you can't remove a persons essential nature/soul/whatever. //Assuming I can't do anything to my "soul"...if I permanently switch body...I tecnically lose my soul...but end up with another one.// You can't not lose your sould nor can you switch or trade souls. //Also, since both subjects are alive, I should be able to avoid the unpleasant side-effects of "Shadow of Life Renewed"... Shadow of Life Renewed is not relevant to what your character is trying to do. Chuck Edited 10/4/2005 2:02 pm ET by Tuura Edited 10/4/2005 2:04 pm ET by Tuura
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